The morning after Primary 2008

This is the part I love. It’s fun to take the numbers, turn them around, and try to make something of them.

36%

That was voter turnout in Waukesha County. AND, it looks like more people voted Democrat than Republican. There were a lot of crossover votes by good voters – Waukesha County is heavily Republican.

Here are the totals from the City of Brookfield. Just working by the numbers you’d say that Brookfield has gone Democrat.

Comments

  1. Dave Frank says:

    I know a lot of people who voted for Hillary as an act of sabotage. I can’t say I blame them. I wonder what her numbers would look like without those votes. My prediction was way off, and BrkflDad was dead on. Obama blew her away.

  2. I was off by about 8 points, and that was with all of the crossover voting! I also heard of a lot of Republicans voting for Obama because they couldn’t stand the idea of Clinton winning. One thing is clear: there were Republicans voting on the Democratic ticket.

    I’ll play with getting numbers together later. I think I’ll try to find what other states have an open primary, too.

  3. Aside from the many other questions I would have, what really puzzles me is how so many people that say they are practicing Christians can be voting for people who are committed to the right to kill unborn children. No matter how they try to frame this issue it’s wrong and a betrayal of everything real believers are supposed to stand for. Atheists and agnostics need not reply!

  4. I know you are trying to make your point here, but El gato, consider the rebuttals you may receive: they were voting to stop killing already living soldiers and residents of Iraq is one that comes to mind.

    Abortion may be your issue and important to you, but someone else might have the war as their issue and it be equally important to them.
    I remember a priest talking one time about using the bomb to end WWII because it lessened the death toll overall. Perhaps someone is voting to minimize what they think is the potential for human killing, regardless of the method.

    (Do not confuse this with my actual position on the issues. It’s only given as an example to thinking through issue arguments.)

  5. I think that the issue of a relative few soldiers lost defending our country is not comparable to the tens of millions of lost lives through abortion. It’s not “my issue”, buy it should be a matter of concern for anyone with moral values. I hesitated to posit the question, but it seems to worthy of thought to ignore…which is what the voters seem to do. I’m greatly concerned for the future of my grandchildren in what is becoming the United Socialists of America. Everyone has their hand out and forget JFK’s “Ask not what your country can do for you….” Hopefully not riots ensue. Think it over in your own mind and heart folks.

    By the way I agree with dropping the bomb as horrible as it was because the alternative was worse and the outcome was as anticipated. In the case of Iraq and Afgahnistan, the “cut and run” approach won’t work. Those people have been at it for 1400 years and have what is unknown to us….patience and perseverance.

  6. El Gato, many Christians, evangelicals included, refer to Joseph Cardinal Bernardin’s formulation of a “seamless garment of life” and conclude that they have to consider what Scripture has to say about the totality of human life.

    In the absence of a perfect party, a perfect candidate, people make choices. Some conclude that the best moral decision (or the lesser evil) is to fight poverty, injustice, and dispair. Some even conclude this is the best way to oppose abortion, since making it illegal does not eliminate it either. These comments are not to sway your views, only to answer your question about how Christians, even pro-life Christians, can vote in good conscience for a pro-choice candidate.

  7. Okay, I confess, I found this link on Fisher’s blog (keep going over there to look for some fun going on, it sure is quiet since you took him on Cindy!), but I think it quite a timely piece given el gato’s post(s)…

    http://www.citizenphil.com/2008/02/delusional-demo.html

  8. My goodness you have a clean conscience, BrkfldDad!

    My point exactly – if as Christians we can justify war, we can probably justify other things. And we’ve been justifying war for a long time.

  9. Thank you so much for that link BrkfldDad. I hope Kathryn reads it. Her comment that essentially that it’s better to kill unwanted children than to bring them into the world to face poverty, injustice, and despair is an old and weary argument that is about as ignorant as it gets. The real answer is to stop immoral activity that leads to pregnancy! Soon I suspect that the liberals will tell us that the best way to avoid unwanted pregnancy is by homosexual pairings. It never ends!

    I don’t want to turn this into a debate over moral and ethical issues. I just wanted to make some people examine their consciences and I won’t go any further with this. I personally have decided I won’t vote for any candidate that doesn’t represent my values…not votes as the lesser of two evils, a vote against someone else, etc. I’ll stay home from now on rather than vote for someone who’s not very closely aligned with my values. With some further study I may find that McCain isn’t all that far off, but I think he’s too old to beat a young man that the lefties love.

  10. That’s an example of the difference in our generations, Dan. I was actually thinking of that really bad song at the end of The Poseidon Adventure.

  11. “There’s got to be a morning after…” everyone sing along, you know the words!

  12. That’s not what I said, El Gato. In fact, I didn’t say anything about my own view. You asked, I tried to answer. Perhaps I’ve mistaken your rhetorical device for a literal question. You’ve certainly mistaken your assumptions for my opinions.

  13. Well Kathryn I guess it’s best to state YOUR own opinions that those of others. Then theirs no cornfushun. I hope those weren’t yours!

  14. Nah, I disagree. You let me get away with it. I think Kathryn brought up a pretty interesting point.

  15. Gato, my opinions: I have a problem with harming anyone, much less a child, much less ripping apart anything with a nervous system. In addition, when I examine my faith, I feel called to care about and act on the social ills that contribute to personal ills and vice versa. Scripture doesn’t require personal responsibility instead of community responsibility; it calls for both. Trying to strike a balance is going to involve some cornfushun all around–and some hope, and the courage to set aside the left/right thing so we can see with new eyes.

  16. As poverty rates go down, so too do abortion rates.

    Kill the weed at the root.

  17. Shawn, that’s a huge point. It’s one of the reasons I’m on this board.