Russia in Georgia: Why it matters to me.

The idea of Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin hugging American President George Bush on the same day Russia invaded a sovereign bordering country reeks like a bad espionage novel. But it’s the real thing this time. I find it very unsettling.

How quickly the dominoes could fall. Former Soviet satellite states wouldn’t stand a chance if Georgia falls to Russian control. Europe seems reluctant to interfere because they now derive 30% of their oil and natural gas from Russia. The EU can’t decide if they want to punish Moscow.

This idea keeps bubbling up inside of me: we could be looking at a push for a new world order. And Putin started it all on the day of the 2008 Olympic games.

Here’s a clip from CNN that I hadn’t seen before showing the UN discussion from a couple of days ago.


  1. Shawn Matson says:

    I have to wonder…is it hypocritical to say that Russia can’t fight to retain part of it’s country, when we did the same thing in the Civil War?

    I’m not saying it’s right. But i’m just wondering what the real difference is here.

  2. Different issue. If Mexico came to claim part of Texas, you’d have a similar situation. Russia into Georgia is not a sovereign nation divided; they want something they think is theirs.

    If Mexico came to claim Southern California, I’d probably walk away…

  3. This is more akin to the United States issuing US passports to residents of Quebec and using that as a pretense to invade all of Canada.

  4. The South Ossetians are not Russian, not even Slavs; they are Iranian people who got pushed into Georgia 700 years ago by the Mongols. Certainly they have every right to stay in Georgia. That doesn’t given the right to annex their entire province to another state.

    Russia has no business bestowing Russian citizenship on them, unless they are interested in moving to Russia.

  5. Shawn Matson says:

    What I am saying is I think this issue is a little more complex than we’d like to believe.

    They were part of Russia (USSR) at one point, so that’s why i’m comparing it to the Civil War. I honestly don’t know what to think about this one.

    When in doubt, however, I defer to not getting our paw wet.

  6. It’s very complex. But I think the Civil War comparison was a miss.

  7. Shawn Matson says:

    I disagree. Here we have two conflicts, i.e. the U.S. Civil War and the Russo-Georgian conflict.

    In one corner, we have the United States, a confederation of smaller states where a large chunk of these states (the Southern States) want to withdraw from the Union. The North, acting per pro the Union, used military force to suppress the Southern secession.

    In the other corner is Russia a la the former Soviet Union. The Soviet Union was comprised of several states, much like the United States. Georgia and the Ossetians (the newest fashionable buzzword in the news) were part of that Union.

    While Russia has taken longer to attack these breakaways, I believe that my metaphor still stands. It’s not a perfect metaphor, but for my purpose, one of hypocrisy, I think it stands testing.

    Now as to the actual issue of whether or not it was allowable, that’s an entirely different issue.

  8. Actually a lot like the Alamo. American were encouraged to move to Mexico for years. They was this strongly “American” territory within Mexico which is what is know called Texas.

    Just like South Ossetia, tensions mounted, and the territory become more closely aligned with the outside country – America and Russia. Seems to me they did what we did. Most citizens of S Ossetia have a dual citizenship in Russia.

  9. So, Georgia was a “state” of Russia. “Longer to attack breakaways” – that’s scary stuff you spout. I wonder how Poland or Eastern Germany would feel about your language. Georgia has sovereign borders. That’s supposed to count for something.

    Dubb – then let them move to Russia, or at least assert their independence and then align with Russia. Russia is wrong to invade a border nation.

  10. Shawn Matson says:

    I’m saying it’s hypocritical of us seeing as we’ve done the same. It would be like saying other nations can’t drop nuclear weapons. We’re the only one to ever dare doing so.

    I didn’t say it was right. In fact, I think the Civil War was wrong as well as the Russo-Georgian conflict. I’m not spouting anything scary, i’m merely pointing out that history repeats itself and we never learn.

  11. A double-dog dare, as Cindy might say:

  12. I know what you’re saying, but the argument doesn’t hold. We’re talking about a bordering nation. I feel it’s different.

    I still think it’s scary you labeled Georgia as a “breakaway,” but that’s just my opinion.

    Kathryn, thanks for the link. I had a nice long dinner with the spouse and have been derelict in my blogging responsibilities 🙂