No, the far right would not be impressed. But the ticket would win.

Think of the bell curve distribution of all voters. The big lump is in the middle, and that’s where the voters are. Lieberman might destroy the enthusiasm of conservatives (a little triangle to the right), but it would pick up all those traditional centrist Democrats, a bunch of Clinton supporters, a big chunk of the 13% undecided, and leave Obama in the dust.

The decision would also wreck havoc on the two party system, and I think it’s time.


  1. I tend to believe the net loss from Republicans who’d vote for Bob Barr would outweigh the gain McCain would get from choosing Lieberman.

  2. I tend to agree with Zach.

    That doesn’t mean McCain/Lieberman won’t win but it will be an unusual collection of voters that would be needed to put them over the top, combined with no-shows for Obama.

  3. I think you overestimate the number of Dems willing to crossover for Joe.

  4. I’m just curious about why you think Lieberman would be attractive to Clinton supporters. Given that he’s in favor of the war — which is the animating issue among movement Dems this year — in service to a candidate who’s promising to nominate judges who will override Roe vs. Wade — the perennial threshold issue for Clinton supporters — it’s hard to construct a scenario in which Lieberman would attract a winning majority. McCain’s running to the right. Every one of the many issues he’s reversed himself on he’s reversed to the right. He has a major league base problem, and Lieberman isn’t the solution to that.

  5. No, maybe you aren’t addressing the 13% undecided.

  6. Shawn Matson says:

    Dan, Lieberman has nothing to do with change. He’s a corporate puppet like McCain. Change means a little bit more than having an (I) next to your name.

  7. Dan’s comment was kind of catchy and sharp; I liked it.

    The Conservative Union doesn’t give Lieberman high marks. I expected him to be more centrist, but they are calling him way left. Curious.

  8. BrkfldDad says:

    Really, when you look at it, the only thing Lieberman is pretty well centrist on is the Iraq war, the left leaning grade from CU doesn’t surprise.

  9. Shawn Matson says:

    Kathryn, you’re right, it was cathy. But it was empty and off the mark (sorry Dan!)

    Lieberman is basically the Democrat version of McCain…everyone inside the beltway touts him as this huge maverick independent when really, he’s just a hack.

  10. or catchy.

  11. Maybe it was the whole ‘family values’ thing from the last election that made him seem conservative. He’s awfully likable except for his speaking voice–good neighbor material.

    Shawn, can you tell me more about your ‘corporate puppet’ comment?

  12. Thank you, Shawn. Never thought I’d see Ralph Nader making a states-rights argument!

  13. Nader has given his life for consumer protection…one of the great injustices of the political tradewinds in our lifetimes is how we have repayed Mr. Nader. He’s not crazy. In fact, he makes sense and he doesn’t self-censor (like Obama and McCain).

    Mr. Nader makes a compelling argument once again. I had the opportunity to meet Mr. Nader a few years ago. Smartest man I have ever–and likely will ever meet.

  14. Only the socialist Dems are making all these attacks on corporations. Funny that they don’t realize that even the socialists countries of Russia and China have realized that capitalist corporations lead to higher standards of living, and to believe that there is not corruption in socialist systems is the height of naiveté. The problem is human nature and greed…not the type of system!