Compare and contrast

As I’ve managed to remind a few other Cheddarsphere bloggers over the past few weeks, there’s a primary September 14th for the Republican gubernatorial spot. In the past, both candidates sounded rather the same. Don’t expect that to be the case tonight. Indeed, it’s time in the primary calendar to start differentiating yourself as a candidate. I do believe people are now aware it’s time to choose. Now the candidates need to give a reason to pick them instead of the other guy.

I had initially thought I might live-blog the debate tonight, but I’ll confess, my allergies are the only thing winning this afternoon. Instead I’ve decided to wait a bit and provide something of a compare and contrast follow up. Look for that later tonight or tomorrow.

Also look for a glove or two to come off tonight. For me, political debates are better than any boxing match.

Here’s a contrasting example:

Neumann has been doing Freedom Forums across the state. They look to be relatively well attended. Here’s a photo of the one from Watertown today. You can read more about the gathering in Kenosha yesterday from the Kenosha News.

Here’s a photo from Walker’s campaign. They do brown bag luncheons and different businesses. This one’s from Kolb+Co. on the 19th:

Not a brown bag in site. In fact, if you look carefully you’ll see Americana paper plates and napkins. Does Walker feed the workplace crowd in exchange for a few sets of ears? I’ll have to wait for his campaign spending reports to find out for sure.

Contrast: Neumann is drawing crowds daily of people who come of their own free will to get nothing but his message. Walker may be getting business owners to lend him a lunchroom so that he can buy a captive audience lunch.

Neumann’s events are as well attended as Walkers, but how many of the Walker group will actually be voting in the primary? I will guarantee that all of Neumann’s audience will be there.

Comments

  1. I’m not seeing a Walker pic of his empty brown bag event. You may want to check the link? Neumann’s photo is posted, though.

  2. Thanks RL. All done.

  3. “Neumann has been doing Freedom Forums across the state. They look to be relatively well attended.”

    Because it’s like watching a train wreck.

  4. Publius, et. al., the outcome of this primary could be really hard on you. Good luck with that.

  5. 10 at Neumanns event in Racine this week, 30 in Kenosha. Considering all the advertising he has done to promote those the turnout was far from well attended.

  6. As I stated above, those who attend the Neumann events do so through their own will, not because a boss is forcing them to show up and the campaign is serving a free lunch like Walker does.

    You don’t like it, but the talks are working for Neumann.

  7. Come off the deep end Cindy.

    This is not a matter of what I like or dislike, it is simply a matter of fact.

    There were 10 people in Racine and 30 in Kenosha. I was at the Kenosha event. Those are not “well attended” events as Publius stated.

    For a gubenatorial candidate 3 weeks before the primary those are very poor showings especially when you consider the amount of advertising the Neumann campaign did to promote those events.

    And for the record, no employers can force their employees to attend a political event. They would go of their own free will.

    You won’t admit it but the talks are too little too late.

  8. Fred, for a primary these are good numbers. I’ve noticed you don’t offer Walker numbers, and one would think you are certainly privileged to receive such information. I also notice you haven’t been able to defend Walker’s matching napkins and paper plates.

    Wait until the evening of the 14th. If you must, talk your smack then. I still think you are too early to crow. I also think this is too close to call.

    Now, if I were to say all of that in terms you can understand, I’d write it for you like this:

    Fred, why do you insist on being so shallow? You see what’s happening and can’t stomach the idea of possibly spending so much time on the wrong side of this one. Besides, who knows if you can even count. Obviously, the skill eludes you when you show up to a Walker event.

  9. “Like” your last paragraph of 11:49a post. How entrenched one must in Walker-denial be to not feel just a bit squeamish over Walker’s inabilities to manage, much less lead and govern our state.

    It seems more like a locker room brag fest from the Walker folks when it comes to their candidate’s real accomplishments. There is no There There. He’s the ultimate empty suit leaving a trail of scandalous mismanagement errors in his wake.

  10. Cindy I’m speaking factually as to what happened in the community I live in. I’m offering no spin

    I attended the Neumann event with an open mind.

    If you are impressed with a turnout of 10 good good for you, I was not, especially considering the amount of advertising that was done on these events.

    I did not speak to a like Walker event as I have not attended a like Walker event. If you have some actual experience I wish you would share it.

    If you would like to compare notes on election night that would be fine.

    RL I have no idea what bragfest you are talking about. I wrote a clear review of the Neumann event in Kenosha and I can guarantee you it is not anywhere near as harsh on Neumann as our hostess here is on Walker. Read it for yourself.

    http://realdebatewisconsin.blogspot.com/2010/08/mark-neumann-kenosha-town-hall.html

  11. Shallow? Grow up Cindy, nothing I wrote here was shallow, I offered a factual accounting of my experience in my home area this week.

    If you think a turnout of 10 is a good number for a widely advertised event what the heck would you consider a bad number?

    I can guarantee you I was much fairer to Neumann in my reporting of this event than you have been to Scott Walker.

    Go ahead, read it. http://realdebatewisconsin.blogspot.com/2010/08/mark-neumann-kenosha-town-hall.html

    As to if I can count, double check my numbers with the Kenosha News http://www.kenoshanews.com/news/neumann_answers_at_town_hall_meeting_17806256.html and the Racine Post story on Racine, http://www.google.com/reader/view/#stream/feed%2Fhttp%3A%2F%2Fracinepost.blogspot.com%2Ffeeds%2Fposts%2Fdefault they will tell you 30 and 12. Do you really think I would cook the numbers to make Neumann look bad?

    And for the record, you just went too freaking far.

  12. Fred, that’s so funny. I wrote that second part because I knew that’s all you’d understand, and sure enough, that’s where you choose to respond.

    I read your piece. I suspect you’ll actually get some traffic on it now that you’ve posted a link on my blog. (Totally an Aaron Rodriguez move, by the way. It’s really bad form, and you know it, but since it shows how deep that well runs I’m letting it stay.)

    Once again, you can’t defend Walker’s moves so you swat at what you can find. I went too freaking far? Nah. Put on your Superman briefs and get on with your day.

  13. Fred. I was referring to the typical high-school boy behaviors found in a testosterone-infected locker room.

    My observation is that there is an aura of a sports mentality around this race and the primary candidates that has nothing to do with rational objectivity in qualifications and is painfully exposed by supporters (teams) when a fatal flaw in their candidate is revealed.

    There exists an emotional and irrational support for Mr. Walker from seemingly intellectual sorts which I find compellingly similar to irrational belief that our favorite sports teams will win the national title each year.

    Fine to dream the dream in sports. Iffy, to me, in an important primary campaign.

    Instead of acknowledging that icky feeling one must feel when their candidate is exposed for something quite egregious as the brewing scandals Walker is involved with, I am observing that high-school-boy-locker-room-bravado from Walker supporters.

    My comment was referencing that the Walker supporters exhibit the same bravado when it comes to their candidate’s personal capabilities and accomplishments – despite factual information and personal observation to the contrary. I wasn’t commenting on how many butts Walker can put in seats in his campaign-funded luncheon (which is what I assume your blog entry was about.)

    I think this primary is too important to continue to mindlessly support a candidate who is increasingly exposing his inability to govern. Blind allegiance to a Walker is hurtful for the state of Wisconsin. That is how I really feel. Sorry I wasn’t more clear on my original reference.

  14. Frankly RL you are justifying the support for your candidate and applying your biases to other people.

    I have a massive issue with the lack of ethics that Neumann has shown on the campaign trail. Cheap stunts like complaining that his supporters were not allowed into the GOP convention (And the Democrat convention as well) when all they had to do was register and pay the entry fee and they would have been welcome.

    Have you asked yourself how you so easily dismiss these ethical issues? Do you want a nonprincipled person in the Governor’s mansion?

    Frankly many of the examples of Walker’s “mismanagement” are made up attacks from the public employee unions that despise the man.

    On this thread I was attacked for pointing out that the listening sessions in my area were not very well attended. That was simply a fact not an opinion.

    Our hostess even attacked my honesty because she is so invested in her view. Rather than accept a fact she attacked.

    Frankly this primary can not come soon enough.

  15. Frankly RL you are justifying the support for your candidate and applying your biases to other people.

    I have a massive issue with the lack of ethics that Neumann has shown on the campaign trail. Cheap stunts like complaining that his supporters were not allowed into the GOP convention (And the Democrat convention as well) when all they had to do was register and pay the entry fee and they would have been welcome.

    Have you asked yourself how you so easily dismiss these ethical issues? Do you want a nonprincipled person in the Governor’s mansion?

    Frankly many of the examples of Walker’s “mismanagement” are made up attacks from the public employee unions that despise the man.

    On this thread I was attacked for pointing out that the listening sessions in my area were not very well attended. That was simply a fact not an opinion.

    Our hostess even attacked my honesty because she is so invested in her view. Rather than accept a fact she attacked.

    Frankly this primary can not come soon enough.

    For the record, Neumann has changed the tone of his campaign of late. Now instead of attacking Walker he is promoting why he should be elected. That is an improvement and I congratulate him for giving up on the negative in house fight. However, he still is not taking it to Barrett and this amazes me.

  16. Oh, Fre-ed. Your losing streak is showing. Please don’t embarrass fellow right of center types by fighting like a liberal.

    The new Walker talking point has just been revealed…ethics. I’ll gently remind you that Walker’s lost incredible momentum given his talking points to date. Maybe you should try something new.

  17. Cindy I replied to RL, that was my opinion based on watching Neumann’s negative campaign. This is not a Walker talking point. My opinions are my own. I don’t need to wait for someone to tell me what to think.

    I was not campaigning I was having a conversation with another adult. It is a shame you had to interject and act like a child. Again.

  18. Well Fred, I have to do something else this afternoon, so let’s cut to the chase.

    1) I’m sorry your stuff keeps landing in the spam filter. Askimet, for whatever reason, has tagged you, and it slows down discussion. I’m not going to be around to put your stuff through, so you need to decide if you want to risk some hitting and some missing for a few days.

    2) You have your own blog. I will respect your right to take this discussion there. It might give you a chance to provide a more coherent (that’s a hint, dude) argument.

    3) Just because you say it doesn’t make it so. That’s the rule in general. Back it up with links, etc., but if you want to sway me, give a thorough argument. Otherwise your work here will be dismissed as opinion, and opinions in this race are a dime a dozen. Mine included.

    4) It’s still America. We get to have a difference in opinion. We can choose to have a difference of opinion without being nasty. I’m choosing to treat you with respect. It would be lovely if you did the same. That would include using statements in context and not assigning arguments to the other that were never made.

    You may have the opinion that Neumann has run a negative campaign, but it doesn’t make it so. I have the opinion that Walker shouldn’t be rewarded for his failures. What counts, in the end, are the tallies on the 14th of September.

  19. Hey Fred. I have raised children and now have a few grandchildren that DO act like children. I’m quite aware of what is childish behavior and Cindy isn’t the one acting like a child. I invite her interjections. It is her blog, no? She makes her points well. Let her be, especially since this is her playground.