A new phase of a very old war…

You need to go read this, and then poke around on the site for a few days. I know I plan to do so. I have a feeling, given how I found out about the post, that it’s written by someone well schooled in military history.

I don’t go here very often, but one does well to remember this is, at its base, a war of religions. I know it’s often sugar coated, but it shouldn’t be. We don’t have to be a Christian nation, but do we want to be a Muslim one?

Think about it.

Comments

  1. Cindy, Cindy. yes, in history there has been religious warfare. The crusades are a good example of using religion to gain power. we have sent missionaries all over the world to convert others to their religion. we have been on the side of and against countries that are not Christian. no need to read all those blogs that spread hatred and abolition. Some things are out of our hands and be best left alone. Before the outset of WWII and after we were afraid of the Orientals and the American Bund. Neither turned out to be a significant threat to our security.

  2. It’s not hatred, it’s history. If we leave history alone, it could be repeated. Would you want another Holocaust? I don’t think so.

    The background presented in the link helps put things in perspective. Not all Muslims are intent upon Jihad to rid the world of infidels, but some still exist, and they have proven effective at gaining our attention. Ignoring them, or arguing their acts are “out of our hands and be best left alone” is very dangerous.

  3. No, he’s not a military historian at all. The author of that post, my husband, is a landscape artist, a computer analyst, a poet, an amateur herpetologist.

    History interests him, as does literature and math. His Phi Beta Kappa key was adwarded for his mathematics.

    As for that old canard about the Crusades, they were actually a defensive measure because Jerusalem had been taken over by the Muslims who were busy destroying Christian and Jewish shrines. When Islam conquers, it obliterates.

    Much wrong has been done in the name of religion, but the motives of those Europeans arose in a world that has long disappeared. We no longer see it because that history has been obliterated.

    In India it is particularly sad. The birthplace of Buddhism yet all the Indian Buddhists are dead. Vanished under the sword of Islam. Millions upon millions of Hindus, Christians, and Buddhists died in India over hundreds of years.

    Baghdad, once a center of Christian and Jewish scholarship. The scrolls, countless scrolls of scholarship, were used for kindling. Baghdad is now Judenrein, and soon the Christians will be gone. Ancient Jewish comunites across the Middle East have been exterminated.

    Islam does not spread literacy or light or productivity or good will. It is a religio-political totalitarian utopian scheme. Much like communism was, but with a “religious” dimension of perfect submission. Islam means “submission”.

  4. As I was saying…

  5. jimspice – Uhuh. You’re the guy who wants ignorance to reign supreme. After all, it’s working for you, right?

  6. Cindy, your comment here is quite different from the one I received in my inbox, and the one to which I came to resond:

    “jimspice – you want another Holocaust? That’s pretty much what you are saying.”

    I’m glad you backed off of that sentiment as it, again, is proof of the EXTREME rhetoric to which the right is so quick to employ.

    My simple “As I was saying…” was an allusion to my earlier comment that too many Christian conservatives view the entire Muslim world as the object of their disdain, and the blog to which you link, as well as Dymphna’s comment here are examples of how they view this as a holy war. I’m glad you recognize that “(n)ot all Muslims are intent upon Jihad to rid the world of infidels…” and would remind you that though Al Quaida called on ALL Muslims to strike out at the west, the vast, vast majority, as in 99.999% have ignored that call to arms and continue to live their daily lives like everyone else.

    I don’t consider myself ignorant, nor on the side of the Muslim extremists or Muslims in general for that matter. I just wish you ALL would keep your religious sentiments out of political life and let the rest of us get on with solving problems that actually matter. That’s not ignorance, though perhaps it is wishful thinking.

    Why doesn’t the little faction of haters from each religion pick a time and place and just beat the hell out of each other and get it over with?

  7. I did. I say it’s to my credit that I backed away. You, however, never chose to back away from your first comment the other day:

    Move forward? Not a chance. Most conservatives have hated only a very small percentage of Muslims to their face so far. There are plenty more to go.

    Your life is full of hate. You bring it here on a regular basis. I’m looking for solutions; learned solutions incorporating history and humanity.

    I like my way better. To me, you still look really stupid.

  8. One little example of your idiocy, jimspice:

    Why doesn’t the little faction of haters from each religion pick a time and place and just beat the hell out of each other and get it over with?

    That solution you offer doesn’t deal much with reality. It’s pretend. Puff the Magic Dragon might have fun spending an afternoon with you. Frankly, Puff can have you. Come back when you are grown up enough to recognize that for a great number of humans religion is part of their politics, and they intend to keep it that way. You don’t get to dictate otherwise.

    Maybe that’s the bottom line in this mess we’ve made. A number of folks are living in the real world where life demands more than simple answers, and the rest just want those who inconvenience us to “beat the hell out of each other and get it over with.”

  9. Cindy, I can’t think of a single person in the whole world world that I hate. Mad at? Sure. Annoyed and frustrated with? Plenty. Shocked, embarrassed and puzzled by? Lots. And given your inability to see the hate coming from not only bloggers, which I guess should be expected, but elected officials from your side, I guess I should add gobsmacked to the list.

  10. Then stop acting like someone who is driven by hate, and I won’t have to suggest you are filled with it. It’s like you have to keep hate alive or you don’t have a hobby.

  11. What’s up with the yanking of your comments today? Perhaps you should think BEFORE pressing the enter key.

    “…for a great number of humans religion is part of their politics, and they intend to keep it that way. You don’t get to dictate otherwise.”

    Yeah, I don’t, but the U.S. Constitution DOES. And I wish those of you that are bent on creating theocracies would respect that.

  12. You have the opportunity to edit your own comments. I’m not taking any privilege I don’t give others. I only remember the one, though, or are you still bellyaching about that?

    Who said anything about creating a theocracy? I said many people make their political decisions based on religious beliefs. Specifically:

    for a great number of humans religion is part of their politics, and they intend to keep it that way. You don’t get to dictate otherwise.

    (If that was your point, you might need to read the comments more carefully. It’s been there the whole time.)

    I’ll simplify it for you: you don’t get to tell an individual how to vote, and that vote might be cast based upon how a religious belief lines up with a candidate’s. Whole other countries are genuine theocracies, and that country’s leadership might decide to wage war with America. That you don’t dig religion and politics mixing doesn’t mean religion and politics don’t mix, for they do every day.

    And no one asked you for permission. Perhaps Puff will help you work through it.

  13. Jim, if you are worried about extreme rhetoric, look no further than Paul Krugman’s piece yesterday that exploited 9/11 to make a cheap political point.

  14. “That you don’t dig religion and politics mixing doesn’t mean religion and politics don’t mix, for they do every day.”

    Well said.

  15. let us agree that religion in general is belief in a supreme being/power/savior, and each religion worships in it/s own way. that politics is a method of electing, forming and operating government. both are separate and distinct. i fail to see how religion will create jobs. a larger problem are the low voter turnouts which has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with politics.