Of course recall petitions are public record

The GAB is simply playing politics to argue otherwise.

If you are that concerned about your privacy, keep your name off public documents. It’s that simple.

I am not surprised by the fraud we might encounter. I expect to encounter fraud in this issue. I am somewhat intrigued by the stupidity, though.

You thought your signature would be private. Really?

Comments

  1. From previous post, but more apropos here:

    I’m all for transparency. The petitions are available for public inspection, and if McIver wants to pony up $.65 per page to have them photocopied, more power to ‘em. But signers were not notified that petitions would be scanned and made available electronically at the click of any mouse in the hands of some drunken yahoo with a grudge and shiny new CC permit.

  2. Randy in Richmond says:

    jimspice
    So you are all for transparency, as long as the reviewer wishes to inspect whatever at some government office or pay for the priviledge to do so elsewhere during non-working hours. This process is a perfect example of how the internet can be utilized to economically keep the sunshine on what our government is doing. Affixing a signature to a legal document involves both a privilege and a responsibility to insure the authenticity of the process.

    This statement is included in the budget released by the GAB prior to the recall:
    “Temporary staff assigned to the scanning team will be responsible for taking the stacks of 100 pages and scanning them using a high-speed scanner to generate digital images of the paper documents for release to the targeted office holder, the public and other interested parties. These digital images will also speed the challenge review process by allowing easier access to copies of original documents.”

    http://gab.wi.gov/sites/default/files/publication/65/jcf_recall_petition_review_process_budget_summar_20896.pdf

  3. Randy, let’s have it your way and go all the way with all public records, putting them all online.

    Tell Walker to reverse himself, then, on deliberately deciding against online posting of concealed-carry licensees in Wisconsin.

    I care more about knowing about whether my next-door neighbor, or my next customer in the complaints department, is carrying a gun than about whether they cared to sign a petition.

    Why the double standard from the Walker administration on putting public records online?

  4. Gee, is there precedent for permits online like there is for the recall petitions?

  5. Randy in Richmond says:

    Gee
    You bring up a good point. However, in doing so I believe you mix apples and oranges. The question on the recall is, should the petitions be made available online, not should the petitions be made available, as this is the GAB’s previously stated policy. The GAB has made the decision to do so, not the Walker administration.

    On concealed carry, “the name of those holding permits will not be available under the states public records law…”, from the JSOnline, July 8, 2011. They’re not available–period.

    This is not a double standard because every governor has to enforce laws/regulations on the books he/she may disagree with at the time.

    As an example, I disagree with Wisconsin’s law allowing voter registration on election day. However, if I moved to say, Brookfield, I might take advantage of the law on my first election day there–no double standard as I still oppose the law.

    And because I endorse internet disclosure for the petition signatures in no way implies how I feel about public exposure of other issues.

  6. BrkfldDad says:

    I agree it’s apples and oranges, and besides it was not the Walker administration that demanded these petitions be, nor made them, public. Gee does have one valid point in some respects, Walker’s administration/the Republican majority wrote that CCW law and passed it just last year, so it is really more than just him following it.

  7. Yes, they wrote the law, but I’m still curious as to the posting of other permits online.

  8. Randy in Richmond says:

    Cindy, you can go here: http://online.drl.wi.gov/LicenseLookup/LicenseLookup.aspx

    With very little info you can find out about hundreds of licenses issued to people and organizations. I tried the generic name Johnson and in each case received the list of all with this name holding the whatever license.

    Remember you live in a state where I, with a name and birthdate, can obtain your physical address, mailing address, date you registered to vote, how you voted, whether you are currently registered, where you vote, if you voted, your voting history, and your middle initial.

  9. Got it! Thanks Randy. Then I think it would be consistent to have concealed carry permits online, too, don’t you?

  10. I think we might be mixing apple, with oranges and bananas now 🙂 The list Randy linked to is of professional/occupational licenses. CC is a individually requested permit. What I would think is a more equal comparison would be hunting or fishing licenses, maybe even driver’s licenses, etc… Now if those are available to be viewed online, then I’d say CC should be too. I don’t think they are however.

  11. Yes, you are correct. I was thinking in terms of hunting/fishing etc. Then I move back to the point where it’s fine they aren’t out there.